Our group presentation was today. I would like to go more into detail on my part of the presentation. There can be many possibilities to each line of the Four Quartets and it is impossible to explain them all. Just for the record, these are just my thoughts on the poem, in no way, shape, or form they final or exact.
Firstly, this is my part:
We die with the dying:
See, they depart, and we go with them.--(This is the circle of life echo. Everyone and everything is connected. People, even after they leave, have an effect on how we think and live life).
We are born with the dead: (Our genetics are passed on from generation to generation)
See, they return, and bring us with them.
The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew-tree (Rose-representing beauty/love/and all layers of humanity and the yew-tree as immortality-Eliot may be alluding to life after death or also the belief in Christianity that one day, when humanity becomes too evil, God will come down to Earth and split the bad from the good. Then at the end of the world humanity and immortality will be one in the same)
Are of equal duration. A people without history
Is not redeemed from time, for history is a pattern
Of timeless moments. (Time is always present even for those without history. Also the thought of memory, memory is without time. History can never be disconnected from memory, which brings along a biased perception.)
So, while the light fails
On a winter's afternoon, in a secluded chapel (Winter, such as Nick talked about is a dead year-Eliot may be referring to the effects and feel of the war as being continual)
History is now and England. (History is now because the War is making history)
With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this
Calling (Love and Calling being capitalized maybe referring to God's love and God's calling. They say you won't find an atheist in a foxhole, a war of this magnitude strengthens religion when there is nothing left)
We shall not cease from exploration (Life is a continual adventure, we continue learning and making changes, however small, that effect our life. Also, death is an adventure, probably the greatest adventure. Even in our last years of decrepitation we keep exploring)
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started (I thought of the ocean with this line, In the King James Bible, the creation story talks of God creating water first, Eliot says we need to arrive where we started which could be seen as the sea)
And know the place for the first time. (The ocean remains a very mysterious entity that can never be known because of humanities limitations)
Through the unknown, remembered gate (The gate in this section could be referring to the gates of heaven or the gate could be a representation of a new beginning, entering into a new realm. I thought the arch that I saw in Cabo San Lucas was a good image because it is gateway to the pacific ocean)
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river (This could still represent the sea, the Nile River comes from the Mediterranean Sea)
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree (childhood is a time of purity and innocence and also the beginning of our life)
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea. (The silence between the waves is a sort of measurement where a person can really appreciate the consciousness, if listening intently. However, people listening to the ocean listen to the waves crashing, Eliot asks us to listen to the in between or the stillness between two immensely dramatic objects)
Quick now, here, now, always— (The consciousness again that Eliot wants us to live in)
A condition of complete simplicity (Saying that it should be so simple to live in the present)
(Costing not less than everything) ---(Here Eliot says, just kidding, living in the present isn't easy because it will cost a person all they have, including their past, their memories, and their future expectations)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well (Again, like Katie says, the Julian of Norwich quote, Eliot may have seemed negative and dark in the earlier quartets, but in the end I think he believes life will work out with religion)
When the tongues of flame are in-folded (Tongues of flame could be referring to what Abby was saying with the serpentine tongues of the dove, "a fallen angel," being tamed)
Into the crowned knot of fire (Crown representing a King or God as the King taming the fire or sin, also fire being the purifier can be seen as a controlled purifier of humanity)
And the fire and the rose are one. (I felt like the rose really is a signifier of humanity and the fire again could be a few things, either sin or redemption. I think redemption goes better because of the quote "all shall be well," if humanity has redemption and also if humanity and immortality are of equal duration then fire would better describe redemption)
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